Comments on: FSF starts new campaign: Play OGG! http://jonathancarter.org/2007/05/17/fsf-starts-new-campaign-play-ogg/ rebel without a pause Fri, 20 Jan 2012 01:10:22 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Chris http://jonathancarter.org/2007/05/17/fsf-starts-new-campaign-play-ogg/comment-page-1/#comment-243243 Chris Mon, 24 May 2010 02:03:54 +0000 http://jonathancarter.co.za/fsf-starts-new-campaign-play-ogg#comment-243243 show http://www.oggconvert.com some love file conversion made easy for the ogg haters/lovers out there =) show http://www.oggconvert.com some love

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]]> By: jonathan carter » Blog Archive » FSF 2008 Fundraiser http://jonathancarter.org/2007/05/17/fsf-starts-new-campaign-play-ogg/comment-page-1/#comment-215004 jonathan carter » Blog Archive » FSF 2008 Fundraiser Sat, 06 Dec 2008 07:32:59 +0000 http://jonathancarter.co.za/fsf-starts-new-campaign-play-ogg#comment-215004 [...] Campaigns such as Defective by Design (which is very important to me personally) and the Play Ogg campaign. [...] [...] Campaigns such as Defective by Design (which is very important to me personally) and the Play Ogg campaign. [...]

]]> By: Edu Camargo http://jonathancarter.org/2007/05/17/fsf-starts-new-campaign-play-ogg/comment-page-1/#comment-148851 Edu Camargo Mon, 12 May 2008 03:01:15 +0000 http://jonathancarter.co.za/fsf-starts-new-campaign-play-ogg#comment-148851 Empty. This campaign in my opinion is totally empty. Emtty of arguments that justify the switching from MP3 to vorbis. I've been on the discussion list some time ago and all I could read about was nothing other than persons trying to destroy Microsoft and Apple's reputations, instead of discussing some kind of future proposals for the expansion in support and popularity of this format. You go to the official codecs sites and you never see a text trying to diminish the major companies. You never see the flac's official site talk against apple lossless and WMA lossless. When you go to vorbis.com, you have that section called "get setup" that gives instructions on how to use your existing player or a very familiar one, to play ogg vorbis files, instead of suggesting a player that is their personal preference, and not necessarily a recommendation. VLC media player... Here is one that I really do not appreciate! Even with all the eforts from Apple to push MP4/LC AAC to its highest limit of knowledge to the people, MP3 is still the format. Needless to say about the LAME's development that never stops, wich makes mp3, this little old format, stay for long. It talks to each and every existing device in this world even though being of poor quality. Really, ogg vorbis is a wonderful format. But I think that people involved on that campaign have to come up with a discussion that really encourages someone to switch from MP3 to ogg rather than stating things against the majors in this business and letting people in the dark. I'm looking forward to see the xiph's spread the world. I think it's better. Best, Edu Camargo, Singer, composer and keyboardist. Empty.

This campaign in my opinion is totally empty. Emtty of arguments that justify the switching from MP3 to vorbis. I’ve been on the discussion list some time ago and all I could read about was nothing other than persons trying to destroy Microsoft and Apple’s reputations, instead of discussing some kind of future proposals for the expansion in support and popularity of this format.
You go to the official codecs sites and you never see a text trying to diminish the major companies. You never see the flac’s official site talk against apple lossless and WMA lossless. When you go to vorbis.com, you have that section called “get setup” that gives instructions on how to use your existing player or a very familiar one, to play ogg vorbis files, instead of suggesting a player that is their personal preference, and not necessarily a recommendation. VLC media player… Here is one that I really do not appreciate!

Even with all the eforts from Apple to push MP4/LC AAC to its highest limit of knowledge to the people, MP3 is still the format. Needless to say about the LAME’s development that never stops, wich makes mp3, this little old format, stay for long. It talks to each and every existing device in this world even though being of poor quality.

Really, ogg vorbis is a wonderful format. But I think that people involved on that campaign have to come up with a discussion that really encourages someone to switch from MP3 to ogg rather than stating things against the majors in this business and letting people in the dark. I’m looking forward to see the xiph’s spread the world. I think it’s better.

Best,

Edu Camargo, Singer, composer and keyboardist.

]]> By: Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves http://jonathancarter.org/2007/05/17/fsf-starts-new-campaign-play-ogg/comment-page-1/#comment-27015 Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:39:35 +0000 http://jonathancarter.co.za/fsf-starts-new-campaign-play-ogg#comment-27015 Yo. Representing SOM here. We already contacted the maintainers of PlayOgg quite a while ago. They never replied. We (Xiph) feel that PlayOgg hurts more the reputation of Vorbis than it actually helps. If you guys want to actually promote Vorbis (and other Xiph formats) come helps us with SOM, join the advocacy@xiph.org list or the //wiki.xiph.org. Spread Open Media is a community project. It depends of me and you and everyone else to prove the world that Open Media formats like Vorbis are cool. We will not use the scare tactics of PlayOgg. Yo. Representing SOM here. We already contacted the maintainers of PlayOgg quite a while ago. They never replied.

We (Xiph) feel that PlayOgg hurts more the reputation of Vorbis than it actually helps. If you guys want to actually promote Vorbis (and other Xiph formats) come helps us with SOM, join the advocacy@xiph.org list or the //wiki.xiph.org. Spread Open Media is a community project. It depends of me and you and everyone else to prove the world that Open Media formats like Vorbis are cool. We will not use the scare tactics of PlayOgg.

]]> By: Dorian Pula http://jonathancarter.org/2007/05/17/fsf-starts-new-campaign-play-ogg/comment-page-1/#comment-16561 Dorian Pula Sat, 19 May 2007 15:35:57 +0000 http://jonathancarter.co.za/fsf-starts-new-campaign-play-ogg#comment-16561 I personally prefer and use Ogg Vorbis for most of my music collection. But then I have to convert them into MP3s because thats what most players use unfortunately. I wonder why its so hard to find a player that play a common open standard as Ogg Vorbis. I personally prefer and use Ogg Vorbis for most of my music collection. But then I have to convert them into MP3s because thats what most players use unfortunately. I wonder why its so hard to find a player that play a common open standard as Ogg Vorbis.

]]> By: Steve http://jonathancarter.org/2007/05/17/fsf-starts-new-campaign-play-ogg/comment-page-1/#comment-16215 Steve Thu, 17 May 2007 21:14:28 +0000 http://jonathancarter.co.za/fsf-starts-new-campaign-play-ogg#comment-16215 I try not to buy any devices that will not play Ogg Vorbis. I can listen on the move on: Palm Zire 71 with Aeroplayer Acer n35 with GSPlayer iRiver iFP890 (256MB) Sumvision M18 (2GB) The last one is as cheap as any of that size, so there is no significant price barrier to having Ogg Vorbis. I've not tested the difference in battery life for different formats. It would be commercial suicide to release a player without MP3, so the manufacturers cannot save on licencing that, assuming they are all paying. I try not to buy any devices that will not play Ogg Vorbis. I can listen on the move on:

Palm Zire 71 with Aeroplayer
Acer n35 with GSPlayer
iRiver iFP890 (256MB)
Sumvision M18 (2GB)

The last one is as cheap as any of that size, so there is no significant price barrier to having Ogg Vorbis. I’ve not tested the difference in battery life for different formats.

It would be commercial suicide to release a player without MP3, so the manufacturers cannot save on licencing that, assuming they are all paying.

]]> By: Tristan Seligmann http://jonathancarter.org/2007/05/17/fsf-starts-new-campaign-play-ogg/comment-page-1/#comment-16205 Tristan Seligmann Thu, 17 May 2007 19:12:57 +0000 http://jonathancarter.co.za/fsf-starts-new-campaign-play-ogg#comment-16205 Unfortunately, the technical aspects of Ogg Vorbis leave much to be desired, especially when it comes to the processing power required for decoding. It would be nice if the FSF were supporting something that wasn't just about the worst possible audio format around in an arena where the impact on embedded hardware is so important; then again, I suppose the FSF and its glorious leader have a glorious history of similar Quixotic campaigns. Unfortunately, the technical aspects of Ogg Vorbis leave much to be desired, especially when it comes to the processing power required for decoding. It would be nice if the FSF were supporting something that wasn’t just about the worst possible audio format around in an arena where the impact on embedded hardware is so important; then again, I suppose the FSF and its glorious leader have a glorious history of similar Quixotic campaigns.

]]> By: jonathan http://jonathancarter.org/2007/05/17/fsf-starts-new-campaign-play-ogg/comment-page-1/#comment-16195 jonathan Thu, 17 May 2007 17:36:36 +0000 http://jonathancarter.co.za/fsf-starts-new-campaign-play-ogg#comment-16195 Fredo, I agree that it is best for FSF to extend and collaborate with existing efforts. Spreadopenmedia also seems very new, and it seems that the entire project currently exists of only one blog entry. Perhaps Spreadopenmedia should contact FSF? Pease don't kill the bunny! Fredo, I agree that it is best for FSF to extend and collaborate with existing efforts. Spreadopenmedia also seems very new, and it seems that the entire project currently exists of only one blog entry. Perhaps Spreadopenmedia should contact FSF? Pease don’t kill the bunny!

]]> By: Fredo http://jonathancarter.org/2007/05/17/fsf-starts-new-campaign-play-ogg/comment-page-1/#comment-16189 Fredo Thu, 17 May 2007 17:00:01 +0000 http://jonathancarter.co.za/fsf-starts-new-campaign-play-ogg#comment-16189 Hm, why don't they simply join Xiph's Spread Open Media campaign? http://www.spreadopenmedia.com/ They are just getting this started, as a way to push forward the use of open media, of course including ogg. I think it would really be nice to join efforts rather than going each on their own... Also, I think that the FSF uses only limited arguments. The majority of MP3 users doesn't care about patents or hypothetical effects these might have on the people that write the software they don't want to use for playback of their media collection. Tell them of superior sound quality, lower file sizes, maybe even better browser support (upcoming) :-) Hm, why don’t they simply join Xiph’s Spread Open Media campaign?

http://www.spreadopenmedia.com/

They are just getting this started, as a way to push forward the use of open media, of course including ogg. I think it would really be nice to join efforts rather than going each on their own…

Also, I think that the FSF uses only limited arguments. The majority of MP3 users doesn’t care about patents or hypothetical effects these might have on the people that write the software they don’t want to use for playback of their media collection. Tell them of superior sound quality, lower file sizes, maybe even better browser support (upcoming) :-)

]]> By: Eric Honaker http://jonathancarter.org/2007/05/17/fsf-starts-new-campaign-play-ogg/comment-page-1/#comment-16169 Eric Honaker Thu, 17 May 2007 14:44:47 +0000 http://jonathancarter.co.za/fsf-starts-new-campaign-play-ogg#comment-16169 I think the real challenge for acceptance of a new audio codec is not software on the desktop - it's MP3 player hardware. I'd say until Apple supports Ogg on the iPods, there's going to be a big problem. I think the real challenge for acceptance of a new audio codec is not software on the desktop – it’s MP3 player hardware. I’d say until Apple supports Ogg on the iPods, there’s going to be a big problem.

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